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AbsolutPurple Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 3:44 PM |
is there any regulation to protect small food retailers ?
we have this in France - for instance, there's no hypermarket in Central Paris - only small or medium size supermarkets or food places.
loads of ppl take the car and go to hypermarkets in the suburbs but still - it's really nice i think. |
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emmahealy Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 3:48 PM |
Not in the US.. walmart and all those shitty big stores are everywhere downtown boston has huge Macy's and such like....
Harvard Square in Cambridge was the first time I didn't see a big name drug store.. it was all local small stores and restraunts very nice indeed. |
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Sunny Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 4:48 PM |
Esteban wrote:
Right, but they aren't breaking any competition or monopoly laws are they?
If other people can't compete, is that Tesco's fault? Is it the fault of the Tesco board that they strive to achieve maximum return for their stakeholders? Is it their fault that they can't necessarily get planning permission to build big fuck-off supermarkets in the middle of town because people are so precious about their little retailers?
Of course, there's room for both to thrive, the small retailers and the multi-nationals, but the small retailers have to cotton onto the fact that price is not the only differentiator, diversity of product and service are equally as important.
It's a sign of the evolution of the way we live our lives. That's not Tesco's fault, but they've had the foresight and initiative to tap into it. That's why they're the biggest and they're the retailer model that everyone else looks upto.
This romantic notion that Tesco is this huge demon killing all small retailers mercilessly is purely that, a notion, an idea, a way of sweeping the real issue under the carpet, that the retailers who are going under are just not good enough at what they do, to survive.
So the fact that they're going under is just a coincidence and that this would still be the case if Tesco hadn't appeared?
My hometown has had a Tesco for donkey's years and there's never been much of a problem, in fact it used to work well. But then they demolished the old store and put up a big Extra store in its place - it is no longer part of the town centre (merely linked by a walkway) and sells everything from washing machines to underwear. During the planning processes for the new store the fat cats screwed over the planning laws, quite possibly gave back-handers to the council and did not adhere to any of the conditions imposed on their planning permission.
They only reason they get to act like this is because they have the money to challenge laws and can afford to pay hot-shot lawyers.
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AbsolutPurple Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 4:50 PM |
| is it a packaged deal ? washing machine + underwears ? |
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Sunny Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 4:51 PM |
AbsolutPurple wrote: is it a packaged deal ? washing machine + underwears ?
No, but that's a fab idea. I'll call Tesco.
... or maybe not.
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Esteban Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 5:21 PM |
Sunny wrote: Esteban wrote:
Right, but they aren't breaking any competition or monopoly laws are they?
If other people can't compete, is that Tesco's fault? Is it the fault of the Tesco board that they strive to achieve maximum return for their stakeholders? Is it their fault that they can't necessarily get planning permission to build big fuck-off supermarkets in the middle of town because people are so precious about their little retailers?
Of course, there's room for both to thrive, the small retailers and the multi-nationals, but the small retailers have to cotton onto the fact that price is not the only differentiator, diversity of product and service are equally as important.
It's a sign of the evolution of the way we live our lives. That's not Tesco's fault, but they've had the foresight and initiative to tap into it. That's why they're the biggest and they're the retailer model that everyone else looks upto.
This romantic notion that Tesco is this huge demon killing all small retailers mercilessly is purely that, a notion, an idea, a way of sweeping the real issue under the carpet, that the retailers who are going under are just not good enough at what they do, to survive.
So the fact that they're going under is just a coincidence and that this would still be the case if Tesco hadn't appeared?
My hometown has had a Tesco for donkey's years and there's never been much of a problem, in fact it used to work well. But then they demolished the old store and put up a big Extra store in its place - it is no longer part of the town centre (merely linked by a walkway) and sells everything from washing machines to underwear. During the planning processes for the new store the fat cats screwed over the planning laws, quite possibly gave back-handers to the council and did not adhere to any of the conditions imposed on their planning permission.
They only reason they get to act like this is because they have the money to challenge laws and can afford to pay hot-shot lawyers.
"So the fact that they're going under is just a coincidence and that this would still be the case if Tesco hadn't appeared?"
Prove otherwise. I'm not here accusing Tesco of allsorts. Other people are. Prove them guilty of what they're being accused of. Prove they handed out backhanders. Have you any proof at all? Or is it just a hunch? Or is it another way to explain away legitimate competition meaning the end for retailers who aren't up to scratch?
You tell me.
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 5:39 PM |
| isn't that the point of having hot shot lawyers is that you can't prove anything as it's their job to hide it |
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Peewee Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 5:47 PM |
I think it serious sucks that people would go to the extreme to actually call a shop (or anywhere for that matter) to threaten them with a bomb scare! Fucking terrorists do that!!! Shoddy and sickening! I've been there on the end of calls like that and it's not nice, it fucking scares the shit out off people and everyday people going about their jobs should never have to feel threatened like this!
What you did sucks because in the end of the day do you really think a big corporation is going to listen to what a few people on the street say? I think not! Just the way this world is.
Phah, rant over! ;) |
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Sunny Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 7:07 PM |
Esteban wrote: Prove they handed out backhanders. Have you any proof at all? Or is it just a hunch?
It started out as a hunch, but then I got a kind of proof - and that's all I'm gonna say on that point for a reason ...
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monkey Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 7:41 PM |
"Or is it another way to explain away legitimate competition meaning the end for retailers who aren't up to scratch?
You tell me."
i remember a while back on sky news there was some debate going on about "Tesco Tactics", the question was should Tesco be allowed to sell the new Harry Potter book for LESS than what they were paying for it?
i'd imagine the basic idea was get people in the shop for the book and they might as well get their food shopping done, car insurance done, entertainment shopping done,and whatever else they offer done while in the shop.
no independent local bookshop can compete with that when it happens, same with local/smaller record stores. (fopp amongst others)
sometimes it has nothing at all to do with being up to scratch |
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Lemon Grinner Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 7:43 PM |
| Isn't it just about conveniance? Go to the supermarket, get evrything you need, then go home. Sorted. |
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monkey Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 7:48 PM |
Lemon Grinner wrote: Isn't it just about conveniance? Go to the supermarket, get evrything you need, then go home. Sorted.
yea that too ;) |
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Esteban Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 8:28 PM |
monkey wrote: "Or is it another way to explain away legitimate competition meaning the end for retailers who aren't up to scratch?
You tell me."
i remember a while back on sky news there was some debate going on about "Tesco Tactics", the question was should Tesco be allowed to sell the new Harry Potter book for LESS than what they were paying for it?
i'd imagine the basic idea was get people in the shop for the book and they might as well get their food shopping done, car insurance done, entertainment shopping done,and whatever else they offer done while in the shop.
no independent local bookshop can compete with that when it happens, same with local/smaller record stores. (fopp amongst others)
sometimes it has nothing at all to do with being up to scratch
It is though. They're not offering a one stop shopping experience than Tesco/Sainsbury's/ASDA do, so they have to find other ways to differentiate themselves.
Quality of service, friendly staff (the hardest thing to find in specialist shops) are just two examples. |
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AbsolutPurple Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 8:32 PM |
| do ppl really buy books at the supermarket ? |
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deepi Posted Mon 16 Jul, 2007 8:34 PM |
AbsolutPurple wrote: do ppl really buy books at the supermarket ?
i do, infact i'm buying harry potter from there on friday/saturday |
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