The charts are so shit now compared to 5-10 years ago that if I was in the band shoes, firstly I'd have 8 legs or 10 when Klaus is in the haus, but secondly I'm really not sure that I'd be at all bothered where the single charts. In fact I'd probably make EP's deliberately so that they wouldn't chart and there wouldn't be this feverish obsession on the message boards over where the song placed, followed by stupid bickering about it.
As long as the band have enough money to live a comfortable life, and let's hope they do, what else really matters? They've done it all. Brit awards, platinum albums, #1 singles/albums, they've ticked all the boxes.
They've certainly got nothing left to prove to anyone.
Look at the diversity of the people who post here, people from all over the world, so many bands would kill for that kind of international fanbase. So they're not the band of the moment, who cares? I saw them twice at Birmingham NIA in this massive aircraft hangar of a venue, and then I saw them at Wulfrun Hall, and Parr Hall, two intimate venues and the atmosphere was dripping from the ceiling.
That's not to say the NIA shows were bad, far from it, and the 1st NIA show was spectacularly put together. But the band seem more at home playing in front of a few hundred who will know every word to every song rather than a few thousand who are there because the NME told them to be.
I agree. Like i've said, the intimate shows seem to be better atmospheres and the band definitely seem to enjoy them more. It's to do with the closeness and "cult" status that i was talking about- i think they know their limit and aren't interested in world domination now- what with more important 'real life' things to be getting on with.
Don't have a clue who said it, but why the hell release singles every so often, when most of the people who buy the singles are more likely to buy the album anyway? And a new album by early 2009? Come on! Not likely
I said it. IF the band want success, they need to put their songs out there. Its obvious. If Travis didn't release singles, its going to be us, and nobody else who will buy the album because nobody else will know. Travis, IF they want to be a big band again, need to release songs so that people know who they are, not so people will buy the single, so that they will buy the album. And why is 2009 so unlikely. Its a 2 year gap! Apart from The Boy With No Name, Travis have always had 2 years between albums.
Don't have a clue who said it, but why the hell release singles every so often, when most of the people who buy the singles are more likely to buy the album anyway?
I see your point Paul, consider this though :-
Firstly, only the big fans will go and buy a new album without getting a taster or two of what it's like.
Secondly, historically, releasing singles stimulates album sales.
For instance, someone might have heard Closer and been indifferent towards it, but then heard Selfish Jean a bit later on and really got a buzz from it, enough to make them consider buying the album.
Likewise, someone may hear My Eyes (3rd single AFAIK) and love it, and along with the 1st 2 songs, it might just get them to go and buy the album.
Last but not least, nice one Fran for stopping by and doffing your cap at us all, especially on the other thread and clearing the matter up somewhat. It's always good to get an insight into the nuts and bolts of how things happen. Kudos.
Exactly! I have a 3 single rule. If i like 3 singles from a band, i'll get the album. I only have a certain amount of money, i can't buy everything. People might be waiting until they hear whether this album will be worthwhile in buying. Only by releasing songs to the world, will people know that. And by releasing songs quickly, people will know in quick time whether they want the album. I'm not saying release a new song every week. I'm saying release a new song every couple of months. They have enough quality on this album to release 5 songs. I think they should. Get their music out into the world. Of course they have their family and their lives, and as i keep pointing out, IF they want success, in my opinion, this is what they should do.
Don't have a clue who said it, but why the hell release singles every so often, when most of the people who buy the singles are more likely to buy the album anyway?
I see your point Paul, consider this though :-
Firstly, only the big fans will go and buy a new album without getting a taster or two of what it's like.
Secondly, historically, releasing singles stimulates album sales.
For instance, someone might have heard Closer and been indifferent towards it, but then heard Selfish Jean a bit later on and really got a buzz from it, enough to make them consider buying the album.
Likewise, someone may hear My Eyes (3rd single AFAIK) and love it, and along with the 1st 2 songs, it might just get them to go and buy the album.
Last but not least, nice one Fran for stopping by and doffing your cap at us all, especially on the other thread and clearing the matter up somewhat. It's always good to get an insight into the nuts and bolts of how things happen. Kudos.
I suppose that's true. Then again, bands don't have to release singles at all. They can just release songs for radio play, like Love Will Come Through was originally (i think... other bands have done it too) to promote the album. And then that might help album sales cos people aren't buying the singles, rather buying the album.
Of course, if that were the case- we'd have no b-sides and i'd have no collection! :( haha
Don't have a clue who said it, but why the hell release singles every so often, when most of the people who buy the singles are more likely to buy the album anyway?
I see your point Paul, consider this though :-
Firstly, only the big fans will go and buy a new album without getting a taster or two of what it's like.
Secondly, historically, releasing singles stimulates album sales.
For instance, someone might have heard Closer and been indifferent towards it, but then heard Selfish Jean a bit later on and really got a buzz from it, enough to make them consider buying the album.
Likewise, someone may hear My Eyes (3rd single AFAIK) and love it, and along with the 1st 2 songs, it might just get them to go and buy the album.
Last but not least, nice one Fran for stopping by and doffing your cap at us all, especially on the other thread and clearing the matter up somewhat. It's always good to get an insight into the nuts and bolts of how things happen. Kudos.
Exactly! I have a 3 single rule. If i like 3 singles from a band, i'll get the album. I only have a certain amount of money, i can't buy everything. People might be waiting until they hear whether this album will be worthwhile in buying. Only by releasing songs to the world, will people know that. And by releasing songs quickly, people will know in quick time whether they want the album. I'm not saying release a new song every week. I'm saying release a new song every couple of months. They have enough quality on this album to release 5 songs. I think they should. Get their music out into the world. Of course they have their family and their lives, and as i keep pointing out, IF they want success, in my opinion, this is what they should do.
Then again, everyone could do what we all did- and get the leak first, and THEN buy the album ;)
Don't have a clue who said it, but why the hell release singles every so often, when most of the people who buy the singles are more likely to buy the album anyway?
I see your point Paul, consider this though :-
Firstly, only the big fans will go and buy a new album without getting a taster or two of what it's like.
Secondly, historically, releasing singles stimulates album sales.
For instance, someone might have heard Closer and been indifferent towards it, but then heard Selfish Jean a bit later on and really got a buzz from it, enough to make them consider buying the album.
Likewise, someone may hear My Eyes (3rd single AFAIK) and love it, and along with the 1st 2 songs, it might just get them to go and buy the album.
Last but not least, nice one Fran for stopping by and doffing your cap at us all, especially on the other thread and clearing the matter up somewhat. It's always good to get an insight into the nuts and bolts of how things happen. Kudos.
Exactly! I have a 3 single rule. If i like 3 singles from a band, i'll get the album. I only have a certain amount of money, i can't buy everything. People might be waiting until they hear whether this album will be worthwhile in buying. Only by releasing songs to the world, will people know that. And by releasing songs quickly, people will know in quick time whether they want the album. I'm not saying release a new song every week. I'm saying release a new song every couple of months. They have enough quality on this album to release 5 songs. I think they should. Get their music out into the world. Of course they have their family and their lives, and as i keep pointing out, IF they want success, in my opinion, this is what they should do.
Then again, everyone could do what we all did- and get the leak first, and THEN buy the album ;)
Some people would. But releasing singles isn't going to harm the success of the band. I'm sure someone will give a reason why it can hurt but let's be real here. If Travis release My Eyes, Battleships and Colder (or others, it doesn't have to be them 3). If they push them as hard as they can, then it can only help the success of the band. That's if they want success as you point out. Maybe they just like us lot as fans, if people want to join the group of fans fine, but the band aren't going to worry if the album doesn't sell, which at the moment, is exactly what's happening.
I only say they should release singles to promote the album. Even if they did only send them to radio stations to play. They just need to, if they want to rise back up the charts, put their music out there for people to here.
Oh and i didn't listen to the leak, i waited til the release date. And it was worth the wait! :)
Oh and i didn't listen to the leak, i waited til the release date. And it was worth the wait! :)
Well what i did was get the leak for the 'myspace' songs- because the versions i had of those before the leak weren't great quality. I waited for the rest of the album.
Oh, and i can see your point about singles/airplay now
Oh and i didn't listen to the leak, i waited til the release date. And it was worth the wait! :)
Well what i did was get the leak for the 'myspace' songs- because the versions i had of those before the leak weren't great quality. I waited for the rest of the album.
Oh, and i can see your point about singles/airplay now
Call me stupid if you will, but what makes everybody so sure that "Selfish Jean" won't make its way up the charts in the UK. It's only the first week on the chart. A better indication of whether or not it's going to be a solid seller would be its position next week.
I love Selfish Jean! I don't care where it gets to in the charts as it will always be special to me as it was the first song that I heard Travis play live! I've also got it as my ring tone and I drive everybody nuts with it as I don't answer my phone coz I'm too busy dancing and singing to it!
