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Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 10:31 AM |
| Can rearranging original songs really be considered a talent? |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 10:56 AM |
Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) wrote: Can rearranging original songs really be considered a talent?
I think so, if done properly, Some remixes are far better than the originals...
Armand Van Helden's - Professional Widow (Tori Amos)
Paul Oakenfold's - Even Better than the Real Thing (U2)
are two that spring to mind. Mind you there are a host of so called Superstar Dj's out there who are just Pish!!
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bara Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 11:14 AM |
hes great. i luv this guy.
well and its definetely possible that remixes are better than originals.. or cover.. or whatever.. new versions.. etc
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Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 11:16 AM |
Those 2 examples are totally different to what Ronson has been doing.
The smiths song he did was nothing more than slowed down.
Valerie song by a woman rather than a man . Just by Radiohead , the vocals are basically the same with a jazz background.
Nothing to innovative in it. |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 11:29 AM |
Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) wrote: Those 2 examples are totally different to what Ronson has been doing.
The smiths song he did was nothing more than slowed down.
Valerie song by a woman rather than a man . Just by Radiohead , the vocals are basically the same with a jazz background.
Nothing to innovative in it.
I must admit I haven't actually heard much of his stuff but... like I said there are a load of Dj's out there who are just plain Pish!!
If what you say is true then he may just fall into that group.
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Alisha Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 12:20 PM |
I think the role of producers is always underrated by the public, but they actually influence (if not "made" at all) a song, the sound of an album or o a whole band (if the same producer is kept).
A song is chords melody and lyrics basically.
A producer has to be farsighted enough to see all those little tiny and apparently insignificat detaisl to give identity to a song. |
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Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 12:36 PM |
Alisha wrote: I think the role of producers is always underrated by the public, but they actually influence (if not "made" at all) a song, the sound of an album or o a whole band (if the same producer is kept).
A song is chords melody and lyrics basically.
A producer has to be farsighted enough to see all those little tiny and apparently insignificat detaisl to give identity to a song.
ok , fair point but does this make him an artist or a producer? |
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Alisha Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 2:35 PM |
Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) wrote: Alisha wrote: I think the role of producers is always underrated by the public, but they actually influence (if not "made" at all) a song, the sound of an album or o a whole band (if the same producer is kept).
A song is chords melody and lyrics basically.
A producer has to be farsighted enough to see all those little tiny and apparently insignificat detaisl to give identity to a song.
ok , fair point but does this make him an artist or a producer?
well he is a producer, but still, from my point of viw producers are artists, as and sometimes more than songwriters themselves. |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Sun 24 Feb, 2008 11:13 AM |
Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) wrote: Those 2 examples are totally different to what Ronson has been doing.
The smiths song he did was nothing more than slowed down.
Valerie song by a woman rather than a man . Just by Radiohead , the vocals are basically the same with a jazz background.
Nothing to innovative in it.
I've just had a listen to some of his stuff and on first listen I have to say I'm with you on this one. It's bordering on Muzak, seriously it's that bad!!
Valerie
Just
Oh My God
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Sun 24 Feb, 2008 12:25 PM |
I've just listened to the album...
It's bland, it's uninspired, it's only worth a listen for curiosity value, it's never gonna last. It sounds like a bad covers band in a club, sorta Murph and the Magitones type of thing. Although I could see the appeal for the "smokers" of the world, it could be mistaken as laid back instead of twee.
btw. Robbie Williams cover of The Only One I Know is an abomination!!!
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the boy with a cryptic name Posted Sun 24 Feb, 2008 2:23 PM |
Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) wrote: Can rearranging original songs really be considered a talent?
It's a talent to be able to do it in a way that thousands of people want to buy, but I don't think the talent is in the music really.
His version of Valerie annoyed me a lot by outselling and outcharting The Zutons original by a long way. It's just because he's got a huge record company behind him, unlike when The Zutons' came out.
I like Stop Me, but I'd never heard the original, and I expect it's just a good song. |
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Lemon Grinner Posted Sun 24 Feb, 2008 2:29 PM |
| I quite like his version of Valerie!! Maybe it's just coz I love the Winehouse's voice and brass. Was a fan of the song as well when the Zutons did it, god knows I hated them at the time tho haha. |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Sun 24 Feb, 2008 2:33 PM |
I actually think that's one of the better tracks on the album, Stop Me - The Smiths is a song from my youth so I'm not a huge fan of his version. The same also applies to Pretty Green it's pretty fucking awful to be honest, at least with Nouvelle Vague that's the "catch/Gimmick", where as with Ronson he's marketing it as dance/alternative.
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Lemon Grinner Posted Sun 24 Feb, 2008 2:38 PM |
| Oh god, I forgot about that Pretty Green, it's absolutely shite! Saying that, I am not sure it was The Jam's strongest song but it's certainly better than the new version! |
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Esteban Posted Sun 24 Feb, 2008 3:34 PM |
| I didn't mind it, but I wouldn't make a beeline for it on my ipod. |
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