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Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 11:05 AM |
| What is Tommy lee Jones rambling about at the end with regards to the 2 dreams he has been having? |
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weirdmom Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 3:14 PM |
Ummm, though I loved the movie it was really intense and it was late and I sort of spaced out about halfway through his ramble.
I turned to my friend to ask her what that was all about and she laughed and said, "I was just about to ask you the same thing."
So, sorry, I don't know either but I'm right there with you that I didn't get it. |
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Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 3:19 PM |
| Oh good. Not just me then. It felt like a scene from a different movie had been shoved on the end. |
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ricv64 Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 3:24 PM |
| see it again . I did , makes more sense in Jones' monologes after you know how this ride is gonna end |
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weirdmom Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 3:34 PM |
ricv64 wrote: see it again . I did , makes more sense in Jones' monologes after you know how this ride is gonna end
That was my plan. See it again and pay more attention this time!
But Gladly, I'm glad to know that it wasn't just me and my friend who didn't get it. |
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SamuraiSandy Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 5:00 PM |
Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) wrote: What is Tommy lee Jones rambling about at the end with regards to the 2 dreams he has been having?
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In his dreams, he talks about his father carrying a torch and making a fire in the middle of the cold and the blackness. Jones dreamt that someone (his father) would make a fire in all of that blackness - and then he woke up.
Basically, I think he's saying that the world is so troubled, he doesn't understand it, and that it is hopeless and will only get worse.
So the "blackness" is the world, in all it's chaos and all the troubles...and the "torch and the fire" is the hope, but before his father could make that fire, he wakes up-- screen turns to black--signifying that there is no hope.
I could be wrong, but that's what I got. I may need to see this again!
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weirdmom Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 5:22 PM |
SamuraiSandy wrote: Gladly (the cross-eyed bear) wrote: What is Tommy lee Jones rambling about at the end with regards to the 2 dreams he has been having?
In his dreams, he talks about his father carrying a torch and making a fire in the middle of the cold and the blackness. Jones dreamt that someone (his father) would make a fire in all of that blackness - and then he woke up.
Basically, I think he's saying that the world is so troubled, he doesn't understand it, and that it is hopeless and will only get worse.
So the "blackness" is the world, in all it's chaos and all the troubles...and the "torch and the fire" is the hope, but before his father could make that fire, he wakes up-- screen turns to black--signifying that there is no hope.
I could be wrong, but that's what I got. I may need to see this again!
Hey you did better than me and Gladly in remembering anything at all! Sounds good to me. |
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SamuraiSandy Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 5:25 PM |
weirdmominaustin wrote:
Hey you did better than me and Gladly in remembering anything at all! Sounds good to me.
yeah, it's really been a long time since i've seen it...i saw it the opening week, but we did discuss this with our friends...so, i remember just a little.
been meaning to pick up the book...but, haven't gotten to it yet! |
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ricv64 Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 5:44 PM |
| keep it cyptic , the Europeans haven't had a chance to see it yet . Don't spoil the ride |
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SamuraiSandy Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 5:51 PM |
ricv64 wrote: keep it cyptic , the Europeans haven't had a chance to see it yet . Don't spoil the ride
oh, shit!! sorry...i forgot! |
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weirdmom Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 5:55 PM |
| Gladly's in Europe and he's seen it. Only in the UK so far? |
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ricv64 Posted Tue 22 Jan, 2008 5:57 PM |
| just opened on the 18th there right ? |
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Moray Posted Sat 26 Jan, 2008 11:00 PM |
I just saw No Country for Old Men tonight. Really enjoyed it. Very well and deliberately paced. Really reminded me of those old Sergio Leone or Sam Peckinpah Spaghetti westerns. Especially Once Upon a Time in the West. Where you just get that feeling of inevitability and impending doom all the way through it.
Not to put forward too many spoilers (so don't read on if you don't want to know!), but did anyone else notice the total ambiguity of the outcome of some of the characters? Especially after the climactic confrontation with Kelly MacDonalds character!
Cheers for the alternate takes on the two dreams at the end. I thought it was along the lines of a torch being passed, from generation to generation. And Jones feeling now he'd retired, it was only a matter of time till he'd follow his father on to death, since he didn't understand the world he lives in anymore, and felt he had no use now he was in retirement. Notably, he never solved the case in any typically Hollywood formulaic way. He just followed the trail so far then retired.
Anyway, really enjoyed it. And is a complete departure from any Coen brothers films I can recall. |
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megg_inc Posted Sat 26 Jan, 2008 11:07 PM |
| And I still have to wait few weeks to see it. GRRRR. |
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weirdmom Posted Sun 27 Jan, 2008 1:51 AM |
I'm responding to Moray's post and there are slight spoilers below:
Moray, I think your interpretation for the dreams Tommy Lee rambled about at the end makes sense and fits with his "what is this world coming to?" mood the whole movie.
I noticed that the killings got more and more impersonal as the movie went on. The better we knew a character, the less we saw of their death. It was very interesting and I am sure deliberate. Wonder if it was like that in the book. |
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