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Turtleneck Posted Tue 14 Oct, 2008 11:24 PM |
Scottish Dubliner wrote: Very Basically...
Ireland was once colonized by the British and became part of the Empire. There was an uprising and a fight for Irish Independence. Eventually the British government gave 26 of the 32 Counties back to the Irish, keeping 6 in the north(Ulster). The 26 became the Republican Free State of Ireland and the 6 in the north(Ulster) remained part of the United Kingdom (of Great Britian and Northern Ireland).
There are 3 different schools of thought regarding the north...
1. Some people wish to reamin British (Unionists)
2. Some people wish the remaining counties be returned to the Republic (Republicans)
3. Some people don't care either way or see the North as it's own place belonging to neither.
That is a very simplistic view but I hope it helps.
Dubz
That helps very much. When did all this happen, approximately? |
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minnmess Posted Tue 14 Oct, 2008 11:29 PM |
Scottish Dubliner wrote: Very Basically...
Ireland was once colonized by the British and became part of the Empire. There was an uprising and a fight for Irish Independence. Eventually the British government gave 26 of the 32 Counties back to the Irish, keeping 6 in the north(Ulster). The 26 became the Republican Free State of Ireland and the 6 in the north(Ulster) remained part of the United Kingdom (of Great Britian and Northern Ireland).
There are 3 different schools of thought regarding the north...
1. Some people wish to reamin British (Unionists)
2. Some people wish the remaining counties be returned to the Republic (Republicans)
3. Some people don't care either way or see the North as it's own place belonging to neither.
That is a very simplistic view but I hope it helps.
Dubz
ahhh, high school history all over again!!!
although i have a feeling it would have been way more interesting if Dubz was teaching it. |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Tue 14 Oct, 2008 11:31 PM |
Turtleneck wrote: Scottish Dubliner wrote: Very Basically...
Ireland was once colonized by the British and became part of the Empire. There was an uprising and a fight for Irish Independence. Eventually the British government gave 26 of the 32 Counties back to the Irish, keeping 6 in the north(Ulster). The 26 became the Republican Free State of Ireland and the 6 in the north(Ulster) remained part of the United Kingdom (of Great Britian and Northern Ireland).
There are 3 different schools of thought regarding the north...
1. Some people wish to reamin British (Unionists)
2. Some people wish the remaining counties be returned to the Republic (Republicans)
3. Some people don't care either way or see the North as it's own place belonging to neither.
That is a very simplistic view but I hope it helps.
Dubz
That helps very much. When did all this happen, approximately?
Oliver Cromwell annexed Ireland around 1650 and it was held by the Brits up until the Easter Rising in 1916.
There was trouble (bombings, executions, riots, etc.) in the North mainly in 60s-90s between Unionists (UDA,UVF) and the British Armed Forces on one side and the Republicans (IRA, etc) on the other.
Again that is a very simple view. I have been looking for a good book on the subject for a while but I can't seem to find one that is objective from a neutral point of view.
Dubz
*edit* btw Darran, Peewee, fenchurch, Paul C, et al would probably be a lot more qualified to talk about this. |
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fenchurch Posted Tue 14 Oct, 2008 11:36 PM |
Scottish Dubliner wrote:
Again that is a very simple view. I have been looking for a good book on the subject for a while but I can't seem to find one that is objective fro a neutral point of view.
Dubz
Dubz
I know what you mean, my history book is quite biased, it's very much from the Nationalist point of view. It's all still too recent. |
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Meridith Posted Tue 14 Oct, 2008 11:41 PM |
Turtleneck wrote: Due to the map shortage, I thought Ireland was just Ireland. I didn't there was a division.
hahahahahahaha Kayte you crack me up! |
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Turtleneck Posted Tue 14 Oct, 2008 11:45 PM |
Scottish Dubliner wrote:
Again that is a very simple view.
That's fine. I have a very simple mind. TenQ. |
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minnmess Posted Tue 14 Oct, 2008 11:48 PM |
| Anne, I bet you didnt forsee the history of Northern Ireland as the direction the thread would go in! |
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I Came in Through the Bathroom Window Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 2:13 AM |
Anne, you were talking on the phone with Nikki about my sister? Lol xD.
Like Ro said, her name is Alejandra, but everyone calls her Ale :o)
I'll try to think some stupid boardie questions... I must have many of those... |
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weirdmom Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 3:27 AM |
No I didn't see this thread turning into an Irish history lesson but I am enjoying it very much.
Juli, we weren't talking about your sister per se but I recently was realizing I didn't know her name so I thought I would ask Nikki because I assumed she knew. I thought it was funny that she didn't know either.
So Ale works for her real and user name! |
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I Came in Through the Bathroom Window Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 3:48 AM |
weirdmom wrote: No I didn't see this thread turning into an Irish history lesson but I am enjoying it very much.
Juli, we weren't talking about your sister per se but I recently was realizing I didn't know her name so I thought I would ask Nikki because I assumed she knew. I thought it was funny that she didn't know either.
So Ale works for her real and user name!
Yes. A friend of ours with a lot of imagination started calling her Aletways or Alet, just as a derivation from her name, so that's why she used it as a username :oP
Edit: I forgot to say something. Anne, you shouldn't feel like a dork for not knowing that! |
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ricv64 Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 4:42 AM |
megg_inc wrote: Ric's not a Ric??? No man can be trusted, really.
a bit harsh megg |
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Moray Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 8:33 AM |
If you're bored at the weekend, rent out the film 'Michael Collins' starring Liam Neeson. It goes over the basics quite well, albeit from a bit of a Southern Ireland bias.
The whole Northern / Southern Ireland divide is caught up a lot in the Glasgow Rangers / Celtic divide as well. Rangers = Northern Ireland / 'British' and Celtic = Southern Ireland |
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Hanne Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 9:13 AM |
Just to continue the Northern Ireland topic...
Leon Uris wrote a book called Trinity, which is quite good. It's been some years since I read it, but as far as I remember, it's about the conflict from three different points of view; and catholic farm boy, a protestant family in Belfast and a protestant land owner.
What's interesting is that you can sympathise with most of their actions and thoughts. If I read it again I might think of it as more biased, but I remember it as being relatively unbiased. |
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kiwi Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 8:21 PM |
Moray wrote: If you're bored at the weekend, rent out the film 'Michael Collins' starring Liam Neeson. It goes over the basics quite well, albeit from a bit of a Southern Ireland bias.
The whole Northern / Southern Ireland divide is caught up a lot in the Glasgow Rangers / Celtic divide as well. Rangers = Northern Ireland / 'British' and Celtic = Southern Ireland
Or 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' probably biased too, kind of more about the people, and divisions within families etc... |
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minnmess Posted Wed 15 Oct, 2008 8:29 PM |
Moray wrote:
The whole Northern / Southern Ireland divide is caught up a lot in the Glasgow Rangers / Celtic divide as well. Rangers = Northern Ireland / 'British' and Celtic = Southern Ireland
Boardie field trip? |
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