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Nikki Posted Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:20 PM |
BenFilbert wrote: I find it hard to believe that these songs have been written so quickly.
Why? They're talented musicians and Fran is an excellent lyricist. If they said they wrote the songs in that amount of time, I'd believe it. Just because they don't have songs written down on paper, it doesn't mean they can't have ideas whirling around in their heads for months and months. Ya know what I'm saaaayin'? :)
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BenFilbert Posted Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:37 PM |
Nikki wrote: BenFilbert wrote: I find it hard to believe that these songs have been written so quickly.
Why? They're talented musicians and Fran is an excellent lyricist. If they said they wrote the songs in that amount of time, I'd believe it. Just because they don't have songs written down on paper, it doesn't mean they can't have ideas whirling around in their heads for months and months. Ya know what I'm saaaayin'? :)
What? I'm paying them a compliment! I'm saying the songs are so good i find it hard to believe they've been written so quickly. I'm not saying their lying about it! |
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Nikki Posted Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:49 PM |
BenFilbert wrote: Nikki wrote: BenFilbert wrote: I find it hard to believe that these songs have been written so quickly.
Why? They're talented musicians and Fran is an excellent lyricist. If they said they wrote the songs in that amount of time, I'd believe it. Just because they don't have songs written down on paper, it doesn't mean they can't have ideas whirling around in their heads for months and months. Ya know what I'm saaaayin'? :)
What? I'm paying them a compliment! I'm saying the songs are so good i find it hard to believe they've been written so quickly. I'm not saying their lying about it!
Oh ok, I misunderstood. Yeah, I agree! They sound so complex and wonderful! |
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Esteban Posted Thu 14 Feb, 2008 12:44 AM |
Nikki wrote: BenFilbert wrote: Nikki wrote: BenFilbert wrote: I find it hard to believe that these songs have been written so quickly.
Why? They're talented musicians and Fran is an excellent lyricist. If they said they wrote the songs in that amount of time, I'd believe it. Just because they don't have songs written down on paper, it doesn't mean they can't have ideas whirling around in their heads for months and months. Ya know what I'm saaaayin'? :)
What? I'm paying them a compliment! I'm saying the songs are so good i find it hard to believe they've been written so quickly. I'm not saying their lying about it!
Oh ok, I misunderstood. Yeah, I agree! They sound so complex and wonderful!
You're going to make a damn fine journalist. Heh ;-) |
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Nikki Posted Thu 14 Feb, 2008 1:03 AM |
Esteban wrote: Nikki wrote: BenFilbert wrote: Nikki wrote: BenFilbert wrote: I find it hard to believe that these songs have been written so quickly.
Why? They're talented musicians and Fran is an excellent lyricist. If they said they wrote the songs in that amount of time, I'd believe it. Just because they don't have songs written down on paper, it doesn't mean they can't have ideas whirling around in their heads for months and months. Ya know what I'm saaaayin'? :)
What? I'm paying them a compliment! I'm saying the songs are so good i find it hard to believe they've been written so quickly. I'm not saying their lying about it!
Oh ok, I misunderstood. Yeah, I agree! They sound so complex and wonderful!
You're going to make a damn fine journalist. Heh ;-)
Shut up :P |
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Moray Posted Thu 14 Feb, 2008 1:23 PM |
As another aside, The Boy with no name was, in a way, a celebration of birth, a genesis if you like. From the title of the album, to the overwhelming feeling of joy at fatherhood you get from My Eyes. It was also perhaps a bit of a re-birth of the band as well. After 12 memories, Neils accident etc, it was a like a clean slate, a new page and a new start.
Whereas the new album is alluding to an ode to...... with the order of service, angelic wings, the death mask, etc.
Could the new album work as a partner piece to the Boy with no Name, like bookends?
I'm enjoying this - it's like trying to work out whats going on in Lost! |
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Somewhere Else Posted Thu 14 Feb, 2008 1:30 PM |
MoraySwan wrote: As another aside, The Boy with no name was, in a way, a celebration of birth, a genesis if you like. From the title of the album, to the overwhelming feeling of joy at fatherhood you get from My Eyes. It was also perhaps a bit of a re-birth of the band as well. After 12 memories, Neils accident etc, it was a like a clean slate, a new page and a new start.
Whereas the new album is alluding to an ode to...... with the order of service, angelic wings, the death mask, etc.
Could the new album work as a partner piece to the Boy with no Name, like bookends?
I'm enjoying this - it's like trying to work out whats going on in Lost!
Dont forget the mourning suites ;-) |
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I Came in Through the Bathroom Window Posted Thu 14 Feb, 2008 4:52 PM |
MoraySwan wrote: As another aside, The Boy with no name was, in a way, a celebration of birth, a genesis if you like. From the title of the album, to the overwhelming feeling of joy at fatherhood you get from My Eyes. It was also perhaps a bit of a re-birth of the band as well. After 12 memories, Neils accident etc, it was a like a clean slate, a new page and a new start.
Whereas the new album is alluding to an ode to...... with the order of service, angelic wings, the death mask, etc.
Could the new album work as a partner piece to the Boy with no Name, like bookends?
I'm enjoying this - it's like trying to work out whats going on in Lost!
Like the literary device of the "complementary double". Sounds interesting! |
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Moray Posted Thu 14 Feb, 2008 5:14 PM |
I think Brighty Eyes did something similar with Digital Ash and I'm wide awake it's morning - a juxtaposition of two albums, where one is electronica and one pure folk.
But this would be way better. |
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paul_c Posted Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:41 PM |
choke the chicken wrote: Sgt Peppers is a concept album too
Sgt. Peppers is a concept album in the loosest sense of the word though. The concept only seems to go as far, from what i can see, as Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band and the Reprise. The rest of it doesn't really link up or run into each other in the same way as something like Dark Side of the Moon does- i.e. all the songs are about a similar theme (time running out, going mad, etc..) and they all segue into one another. So i don't know if you can look at it like that.
As for the other stuff, it's all interesting. But perhaps we're reading a little deep into it, considering the album isn't even recorded yet! |
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paul_c Posted Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:47 PM |
Nikki wrote: BenFilbert wrote: I find it hard to believe that these songs have been written so quickly.
Why? They're talented musicians and Fran is an excellent lyricist. If they said they wrote the songs in that amount of time, I'd believe it. Just because they don't have songs written down on paper, it doesn't mean they can't have ideas whirling around in their heads for months and months. Ya know what I'm saaaayin'? :)
It's true. I had one line of a song for years, and i thought it was a great line. Could never find a song to fit around it, and then one day..
BAM!!
the song was born |
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the boy with a cryptic name Posted Sat 16 Feb, 2008 10:50 AM |
I think the 'concept album' idea is a good one, but too often it's overstated. Really all it means is that some of the lyrics are about the same things most of the time (see Keane's last 'concept' album). However, it would be good to make it more concepty than that, and the first three or four tracks in the gigs were going well with those repeated staccato chords popping up everywhere, and it was hard to tell where a song ended and another began.
However, I thought that went off after Friends, and it was just an album with a lyrical theme again. Maybe they could do some more song welding before it's released...? |
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Jimmy_Jimmy Posted Sun 17 Feb, 2008 3:40 PM |
Wow, what a disscussion. This is more like it!
I like some of the theories you guys have come up with.
I think it would be cool if they did put the intro that was played at the shows on the album. There are a couple of Manic Street Preachers songs that do this and it sounds pretty good.
One song 'Faster' I think it was had a quote from 1984 at the start which sounds like a similar film to Network. I've seen and read 1984 but cant say i've seen Network. has anybody actually seen this film???
Quote: think it means Remembering John Smith. The intro with the man going mad signifies how society is changing and how the average man (John Smith being the most common name) is changing too. The merch such as the white booklet looked like it was from church with it's preying hands and and "order of service on the front" (Hyms booklet?). Also the t-shirt has wings on it (possibly angel wings) - this could signify the death of John Smith.
Ode also refers to a lengthy poem, so the whole album could be emotions and experiences felt by the average man. The last song with the gong had a sort of reflective approach, looking back into the past so its almost as if the album tracklist is chronological in time of a persons life,
Basically experiences and emotions that everyone feels.
Yeah that sounds good. Friends as a song would fit in with that theory and i guess once we've heard some of the others they could as well.
I really havent given the new album that much thought until reading this thread...hmmm |
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jesusaremus Posted Sun 17 Feb, 2008 9:42 PM |
this is really interesting and it looks it fits perfectly, friends, could be the song N° 1 of the album, is the one that sounds like the "normal" travis, and in a interview fran said that the boy with no name, 3 times and you lose, is like a continuation of 12 memories, like going out of 12 memories and going into the new feeling.
Musically friends could be the 1, but maybe could be before you were young.
And the titles of the songs fits with the theories you've been made, they look to talk about the death of a person, and not physically, you know what i mean.
This gets really interesting, and i can't understand the lyrics of most of the songs except J. Smith. |
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gladsadmad Posted Thu 21 Feb, 2008 1:58 AM |
New photos I just found on the front page of the Tour Archive of the Hymn sheets that were given out to the front few rows at every February Club Gig (That supports this idea of a "concept" album, seeing as they are recording them in order using old equipment too):-
The album tracklist (With album title at top underlined).
I like how they are using the old Gill Sans typeface too for authenticity.
Order Of Service Hymn sheet front cover.
Back & Front Pages of the Hymn sheet (With J. Smith lyrics)
Not very clear though.
Has anybody got some decent photos of these high quality to share in the archive please? Thanks. |
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