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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 12:32 PM |
Peewee wrote: Sanne (nl) wrote: DavesUrMan wrote: I really would like to contemplate infinity :)
I am afraid i don't know anything about infinity, sorry. Hope someone else does.
To Infinite and beyond!!!
Interesting point - what is beyond infinity?!
I stand by my guns that we've got infinty all wrong - and if anyone ever proves it, you heard it here first!! |
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 12:36 PM |
Sanne (nl) wrote: DavesUrMan wrote: Sanne (nl) wrote: DavesUrMan wrote: I really would like to contemplate infinity :)
I am afraid i don't know anything about infinity, sorry. Hope someone else does.
Well its really the problem that infinity obviously means "endless" or "forever" or "never ending".
And the reason that something can't travel past the speed of light is that its mass would be infinite...and according to scientists its impossible to have 'never ending mass'.
but maybe we've got it wrong - maybe infinite is something completely incomprehendable. Afterall, light travels at the speed of light (though it is a mixture of photons and waves) perhaps it DOES have infinte mass and we just don't understand it. Perhaps for me to travel at the speed of light would involve splitting into waves AND atoms...or photons...
well if that is the case i rather travel by train, plane or bus;) But that is the problem for me (and always has) as soon as it becomes abstract and you have to except things (like in formula's x=4 orso) i get frustrated. Why the hell is x=4. I want to know why. and i lose track of what really matters. I think the subject if infinity is lost on me.
I know what you mean about x=4 maybe i should have a quick think about that over my luch...I used to think about that a lot and then BZZZZZZZZT! The alarm goes and the exam time is finished lol (good job i was finished half an hour earlier eh? ;) i'm such a cocky git) |
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 12:51 PM |
I'll get back to why x = 4 later
I just had a pet peeve of mine in the coffee room
Why can't people see why you can divide 0 by 10, but you can't divide 10 by 0?!?
Possible: 0/10 Not Possilbe: 10/0
Do we see why? |
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Beatle Babe Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 12:55 PM |
| Wait - why? |
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Sanne (nl) Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 12:57 PM |
Quote: I know what you mean about x=4 maybe i should have a quick think about that over my luch...I used to think about that a lot and then BZZZZZZZZT! The alarm goes and the exam time is finished lol (good job i was finished half an hour earlier eh? ;) i'm such a cocky git)
indeed;) |
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 1:01 PM |
Beatle Babe wrote: Wait - why?
Ok - you're standing there with Ten People at your stall of apples.
you have 100 apples to divide equally - so thats 10 for each person
another 10 people come along, but you've no apples left. So you can GIVE each person 0 apples - literally hand nothing over to them - and they can take that nothing and sod off.
Your boss comes and gives you a new set of 100 apples. But no one wants them cos someones opened up a curio shop next door thats more interesting. But you have to get rid of the apples by selling them to people. There are no people. You literally cannot GIVE 100 apples to NOONE - and the apples can't sit there, you can't have them - theyre not yours, you would be a person - you can't DIVIDE them into 0 people... |
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 1:08 PM |
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There have been some really fun pics in this thread:D |
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Sanne (nl) Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 1:13 PM |
i know it's not science but it's GARFIELD:) it's one of the few comics that can make me laugh out loud.
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 1:55 PM |
Sanne (nl) wrote: i know it's not science but it's GARFIELD:) it's one of the few comics that can make me laugh out loud.
lol apart from the science of a cat that has the ability to perform human speech, usually with his mouth closed - thats quite a feat! |
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Beatle Babe Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 1:57 PM |
DavesUrMan wrote: Beatle Babe wrote: Wait - why?
Ok - you're standing there with Ten People at your stall of apples.
you have 100 apples to divide equally - so thats 10 for each person
another 10 people come along, but you've no apples left. So you can GIVE each person 0 apples - literally hand nothing over to them - and they can take that nothing and sod off.
Your boss comes and gives you a new set of 100 apples. But no one wants them cos someones opened up a curio shop next door thats more interesting. But you have to get rid of the apples by selling them to people. There are no people. You literally cannot GIVE 100 apples to NOONE - and the apples can't sit there, you can't have them - theyre not yours, you would be a person - you can't DIVIDE them into 0 people...
Sure :) |
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 2:15 PM |
Ok back to infinity, think about it this way.
start with 100
divide by 10 = 10
divide 100 by 5 = 20
divide 100 by 2 = 50
divide 100 by1 = 100
divide 100 by 0.5 = 200
divide 100 by 0.1 = 1000
divide 100 by 0.001 = 10,000
divide 100 by 0.00000000000000000000000001 = 1000000000000000000000000000
The number gets bigger the LESS you divide it by, so when you finally get to 0 (which there is no such thing as ) you'll have infinity - 0 is just as infinte as infinity... wow
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Peewee Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 2:27 PM |
| pmsl > I was always told infinity has NO end so it just goes on and on and on and on and on.....etc |
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DavesUrMan Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 2:38 PM |
Peewee wrote: pmsl > I was always told infinity has NO end so it just goes on and on and on and on and on.....etc
well I mean thats right - but think about it - what is 'on and on and on and on' ?
I just think we can't imagine it, so we expect its just 'forever' or whatever, but if you try and REALLY think what infinity (forever), it causes just the same problems in the human mind as imagining NOTHING - i mean literally nothing (And NO, nothing does not mean a black void! that would be something!) literally absolutely nothing, no light no dark no time, no objects - no abyss of black or white, no space...
and you see because there is no such thing as 0, because there is such a number as 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 or 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, or even longer and longer (smaller and smaller), you could never really decide where it ends!! arghhhhhhhhhhh |
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Beatle Babe Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 5:47 PM |
| So do we think we'll colonise the moon or what? |
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la femme qui Posted Thu 14 Jun, 2007 6:00 PM |
DavesUrMan wrote: there is no such thing as 0
But what do you mean by there's no such thing such as 0? Yeah, 0 does not have any form in the physical world and it doesn't exist in (0,*insert infinity symbol here*) but surely it exists in R? |
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