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Scottish Dubliner Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 6:16 PM |
Interesting topic in UK at the moment.
Should convicted prisoners have the right to vote while serving their time in prison ??
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weirdmom Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 6:27 PM |
| While they are still in prison or after they get out? |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 6:35 PM |
weirdmom wrote: While they are still in prison or after they get out?
While they are inside, Once they are out IMO they have served their time, repaid their debt so to speak and so shouldn't be punished any further.
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Edel Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 6:51 PM |
| Yes, its still a democracy after all. |
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Turtleneck Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 6:58 PM |
| In the US, it varies by state. I looked it up and learned that in some states ex-felons lose their right to vote for LIFE. That seems extreme to me. If they let you out, it seems like your rights should be restored to you. |
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deebee Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 7:09 PM |
| The whole point of prison is that you lose your normal rights and privileges and therefore I say NO they shouldn't be allowed to vote. |
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I Came in Through the Bathroom Window Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 7:37 PM |
I don't know what the law says in Argentina, but I think they should be allowed to vote. It's true you lose some of your rights (your liberty), but you're still a member of society. Prisoners are affected by the social policies and legal measures established by the political force in charge, such as cuts in the budget of the prison system or whatever. It affects their quality of life. So I believe they should have the right to express their opinion on political matters and their vote should count.
I think the underlying issue here is whether the prison system should have some re-socialising aim or should it be merely punitive. On the first case, convicts losing their right to vote would be counter-productive, since we're talking about a civic right, something that makes you a part of society (at least it does in Argentina, where voting is mandatory). On the second one, it would be just one more punishment for breaking the law.
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Thu 10 Feb, 2011 9:06 PM |
Hmmm, interesting, I started this thread because I'm not sure I can see both sides.
People are put in prison as they are unfit to belong to society, so why should they have a say on how society is run also prison is a punitive measure, you lose certain rights should the right to vote be included ??
Britain is a democracy and as such all people are entitled to a vote, also the majority of prisoners will be getting released so maybe they should have a say on the world in which they will be released into. ??
Hmmmm guess I'm still undecided.
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Fri 11 Feb, 2011 2:14 PM |
Okay today's topic-
Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse double rooms to same sex couples.
Gay couple awarded damages after Christian hotel owners refused to let them share double room
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Turtleneck Posted Fri 11 Feb, 2011 2:58 PM |
I think there is a difference between a hotel denying them and a B&B. A "bed and breakfast" is usually within the owner's house or a similar arrangement and I think they should be allowed to refuse anyone for whatever reason they darn well please. It's theirs, privately owned. Many restaurants have signs up saying they have the right to refuse patrons. If a restaurant can refuse the right to serve people, certainly a privately owned overnight establishment can, too.
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minnmess Posted Fri 11 Feb, 2011 3:07 PM |
absolutely not.
A person's sexual orientation should not deny then any rights.
although in this story, the B&B will also denied a shared bed to any non married couple. It's fine if those are your believes that you decide to live by, but you can't have everyone conform to what you believe in. |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Fri 11 Feb, 2011 3:18 PM |
minnmess wrote: absolutely not.
A person's sexual orientation should not deny then any rights.
although in this story, the B&B will also denied a shared bed to any non married couple. It's fine if those are your believes that you decide to live by, but you can't have everyone conform to what you believe in.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, shouldn't the couple who own the place have a right not to have others force their belief (that homosexuality is acceptable) upon them ?
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minnmess Posted Fri 11 Feb, 2011 3:34 PM |
Scottish Dubliner wrote: minnmess wrote: absolutely not.
A person's sexual orientation should not deny then any rights.
although in this story, the B&B will also denied a shared bed to any non married couple. It's fine if those are your believes that you decide to live by, but you can't have everyone conform to what you believe in.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, shouldn't the couple who own the place have a right not to have others force their belief (that homosexuality is acceptable) upon them ?
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having a place to spend the night is not forcing anything on anyone. |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Fri 11 Feb, 2011 3:44 PM |
minnmess wrote: Scottish Dubliner wrote: minnmess wrote: absolutely not.
A person's sexual orientation should not deny then any rights.
although in this story, the B&B will also denied a shared bed to any non married couple. It's fine if those are your believes that you decide to live by, but you can't have everyone conform to what you believe in.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, shouldn't the couple who own the place have a right not to have others force their belief (that homosexuality is acceptable) upon them ?
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having a place to spend the night is not forcing anything on anyone.
If it was simply a case of spending the night what's the problem with seperate beds ??
Also this B&B do not let unmarried couples share the same room ?? How many of them have sued ?? Do the rights of an unmarried couple mean less than the rights of a same sex couple (married or unmarried) ??
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Turtleneck Posted Fri 11 Feb, 2011 5:02 PM |
Restaurants reserve the right not to serve anyone.
Maybe Anne can answer this question, but I think that if someone is renting a house, they can interview prospective tenants and deny them if they want to.
In the case of a B&B, I think owners should have the right to deny a room. It is their property, after all. Think about their point of view. A large part of B&B business is gained through word of mouth. Let's say this gay couple has a stupendous time and tell all their gay friends how fab this place is. Some of them go, they tell their friends. Suddenly this place is a gay B&B, not what the owners had intended at all when they opened their establishment. Probably most of their current clients shares their values, because of word of mouth that way. |
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