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Re: Travis downloads
the boy with a cryptic name
Posts: 2310		 the boy with a cryptic name Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 2:32 PM Quote
Tonie wrote:

If it gets the big guy's blessing, then I stand down humbled. But Travis have to eat and provide for their growing families, so I would be surprised if there's carte blanche approval! Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


Pffft! They sold bazillions of copies of TMW, I'm sure they're fine :P
 
Re: Travis downloads
Tonie
Posts: 806		 Tonie Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 2:39 PM Quote
the boy with a cryptic name wrote:

Pffft! They sold bazillions of copies of TMW, I'm sure they're fine :P


True, but they're not in it for nothing. It just seems wrong to profess to love Travis so much, then just help yourself (not you personally, but meaning the board in general) to a huge chunk of back catalogue for zip.

I just can't get my brain around this "open season" approach. Sorry. Call it a character flaw, but I still think the band deserves to be paid. The odd track here or there is one thing, but this mass giveaway has done my head in!

All take and no give yadda yadda.....
 
Re: Travis downloads
the boy with a cryptic name
Posts: 2310		 the boy with a cryptic name Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 2:42 PM Quote
The reason why they would be in it for no money would be because they love making music and especially playing it to people and they can't do that with no fans. Not having much money in return means that more people know about you, and it's way more fun because they're playing to new fans.

Btw, that's entirely speculation, so I have n idea what Fran thinks.
 
Re: Travis downloads
Tonie
Posts: 806		 Tonie Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 2:48 PM Quote
the boy with a cryptic name wrote:
The reason why they would be in it for no money would be because they love making music and especially playing it to people


Ha ha- made me laugh! Utopian bollocks!!!

Nothing personal, just don't agree with that at all.

I'm not in Fran's head either, to be fair. But it's all a bit touchy feely to me. It's a job. They might love it, but I suspect that'd soon stop if they only ever made music, or performed, for free, in the name of making new fans or treating those who can't afford to buy tickets or cd's.

 
Re: Travis downloads
the boy with a cryptic name
Posts: 2310		 the boy with a cryptic name Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 2:58 PM Quote
Yeah, like you say, there's give and there's take. But Fran certainly wouldn't come on here and connect with the fans if it was just a job. They love performing and doing that, but like everyone they balance it against other things, like money. It's very possible that in a few years time they'll decide that their kids should come first. Or maybe they'll charge £20 for the next album and prove me wrong ;)
 
Re: Travis downloads
Rallyfoeraren
Posts: 123		 Rallyfoeraren Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 2:58 PM Quote
I've heard Fran say several times that he thinks it's OK to share at least B-sides for free. He actually recommended some radio guy to download "20" via Limewire in an interview last year, realizing a little too late that the company might not be too happy with that. Here is an older article in which he also seems to support file sharing.
 
Re: Travis downloads
Tonie
Posts: 806		 Tonie Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 3:18 PM Quote
the boy with a cryptic name wrote:
Or maybe they'll charge £20 for the next album


Now now...From sublime to ridiculous!!! :)

I think you're right that it's a compromise between pleasing the fans, while earning a living. But while it's one thing to advocate the odd free b-side, surely it's another to do what the original poster has done here, and offload big time!

It's always a pleasure to see Fran's posts on the forum, and I'm aware that he has plenty to say other than just keeping up his own profile. So that is appreciated. But that's not quite the same as saying "here, have all my music for nothing", is it?

I'll go now & have a look at the link in the next post, and will no doubt find I'm completely off base. Am preparing to blush.






 
Re: Travis downloads
Sky-Blue Puppy
Posts: 278		 Sky-Blue Puppy Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 4:40 PM Quote

Replying to your first post I think you raised a very good question here, Tonie. However, i believe that unless we get a definite answer from Fran, Andy, Neil and Dougie we will be arguing about this issue till the cows come home and never reach an agreement.

I've used the b-sides project for downloading stuff that's on there, i've promoted it and even contributed to it. Every now and then i've felt a twinge of guilt doing so - well, it *is* stealing from the band in a way. But what are fans to do if they haven't been there from the very beginning but would like to know all the music that's there (with all the hidden gems that come as b-sides)?

Well, there's always the possibility of just listening to them on the travis.ography site; CDs can be bought on Ebay, and there are also digital tracks. But you can't take travis.ography with you everywhere you go. Many don't feel comfortable bidding on Ebay and doing business with perfect strangers. And the trouble with digital tracks is that they simply aren't available in every country. There have been plenty of occasions when i've found some online store selling digital tracks, i've been happy as hell for finding exactly the stuff i've been looking for only to bump into the small print saying grrr, if you are from outside the UK and try to buy music from here we'll come and get you!

As a possible solution and a compromise i propose that older b-sides remain available as they are now, but newer stuff (including the TBWNN singles) would not be added there until they are no longer available for buying from Wee Store. Would that be okay?

Oh boy, i think that was my longest rant on this board... Sorry 'bout that! :S

Evelyn
 
Re: Travis downloads
mili
Posts: 3258		 mili Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 5:30 PM Quote
Evelyn, thanks for your project. Not everybody have means to play vinyls, or are able to find old b-sides etc. At least you're not giving the actual albums out for free. I've tried to purchase the missing songs from iTunes, but not everything is there. I suppose I've paid back in some way by buying 12 memory both from iTunes and as a cd…
Also, your project includes some live stuff not available elsewhere.
 
Re: Travis downloads
Tonie
Posts: 806		 Tonie Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 5:43 PM Quote
^^^^^

Really interesting comments above. Nothing to apologise for when you rant - it's good for you! One thing I totally agree with, is that we don't fully know what Travis think of this freeloading excercise. I've put 2 + 2 and drawn a conclusion from my own stance. But I make no apology for it!

At the same time, I've shot myself in the foot, cos I've heard literally nothing from the next album, and from lurking I see that files are flying around all over the place. But, out of interest, did Travis leak those, or someone else?

I'm one of those who has been there from the begining, but I'm not a collector, so only have a few b-sides from the odd single that I've picked up. I'm not obsessive, but always welcome hearing the old stuff. It's also an expensive hobby!

Doesn't make me less of a fan just cos I focus on albums and gigs!!!! And I really don't feel that I've missed out by not hearing every note they've ever played. But that's just me. And I'm sure I'd love the luxury of knowing all the old stuff.

I'm in the UK, and can't possibly comment on the availability of stuff overseas. If you say you can't get it, I believe you. I don't know where you're from, but if it's restricted availability, that sucks. I've never tried to get hold of music that's not widely available in the UK, so it's a tough one to judge.

I don't have a problem with ebay, and if finances allowed, I'd bid for all the Travis rarities on offer there. There's so much protection for both buyer and seller that not being comfortable with ebay is a bit of a poor excuse, in my experience.

IMHO, if you can get it online or in the shops, then you should pay for it. No brainer. But if out of print, it's different, and I'd love to know how to get around that.

Does it take us back to Michael Coates' or other charitable causes as a vehicle for paying for rarer material? How do the band members feel about that?

I just started this debate cos it seemed that the freeloading was spiralling out of control in this thread, and I haven't changed my mind. Perhaps Fran can clear this up, please???? :)
 
Re: Travis downloads
Sky-Blue Puppy
Posts: 278		 Sky-Blue Puppy Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 6:47 PM Quote
mili wrote:
Evelyn, thanks for your project. Not everybody have means to play vinyls, or are able to find old b-sides etc. At least you're not giving the actual albums out for free. I've tried to purchase the missing songs from iTunes, but not everything is there. I suppose I've paid back in some way by buying 12 memory both from iTunes and as a cd…
Also, your project includes some live stuff not available elsewhere.


Whoah! No, no, no! It's not my project, it's Ayana's! :D
Phew, i only contributed a teeny-tiny bit to it :)
 
Re: Travis downloads
Sky-Blue Puppy
Posts: 278		 Sky-Blue Puppy Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 7:39 PM Quote
Tonie wrote:
At the same time, I've shot myself in the foot, cos I've heard literally nothing from the next album, and from lurking I see that files are flying around all over the place. But, out of interest, did Travis leak those, or someone else?


Files, as in plural? Hmm, i only know of J.Smith being shared here. And that was played on the radio (sort of by accident, as i understand) from where it made its way here.
And i don't think you're in any disadvantage for not having heard it - i bet it will be a nice experience to listen to the new album without having heard it's tracks (in not-so-good quality) beforehand.

Tonie wrote:
Doesn't make me less of a fan just cos I focus on albums and gigs!!!!


Of course not! There's just different kind of people out there - some need to have the whole back catalogue with albums, singles, promos and the lot. And some don't. And some are somewhere in the middle. And all are 'true fans' (i hate this expression though) :)

And yep, when there's a will there's also a way of getting it. Legally, i mean :) I was just pointing out what are or could be the problems with stores and auctions etc.

Tonie wrote:
Does it take us back to Michael Coates' or other charitable causes as a vehicle for paying for rarer material?


While the idea of getting the unofficially shared b-sides for giving money to charity (i.e. besides Michael Coates's cause) is really applaudable, how should or would or could it be run? And which charity to choose? Do Travis have one that's closest to their heart? so many questions!

I think i can hear the cows coming home now :) While not 100% disagreeing with you, i find it hard letting go and not protecting this way of ours of sharing Travis's music. We do need the opinion of the band. Badly. :)
 
Re: Travis downloads
mili
Posts: 3258		 mili Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 8:17 PM Quote
Sky-Blue Puppy wrote:
mili wrote:
Evelyn, thanks for your project. Not everybody have means to play vinyls, or are able to find old b-sides etc. At least you're not giving the actual albums out for free. I've tried to purchase the missing songs from iTunes, but not everything is there. I suppose I've paid back in some way by buying 12 memory both from iTunes and as a cd…
Also, your project includes some live stuff not available elsewhere.


Whoah! No, no, no! It's not my project, it's Ayana's! :D
Phew, i only contributed a teeny-tiny bit to it :)




Sorry Evelyn and Ayana, of course it's Ayana's project! I just got carried away with Evelyn's message.
 
Re: Travis downloads
damon
Posts: 523		 damon Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 11:09 PM Quote
ayana wrote:
If you have something that isn't here, please send it to me or just ask me the password to add it yourselves in the projects http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/ayana-nc/Smileys/smilie1.gif

Savefile projects

B-Sides : http://savefile.com/projects/1073086
*All I Wanna Do Is Rock CD 1 : Blue On A Black Weekend, Combing My Hair
*All I Wanna Do Is Rock [CD2] : 20, 1922
*Closer Bsides : This Love, The Day To Day, Closer (acoustic), The Great Unknown
*Coming Around [CD1] : Coming Around, Just The Faces Change, The Connection
*Coming Around [CD2] : Rock'n'(Salad) Roll, The Weight
*Driftwood [CD1] : Be My Baby, Where Is The Love
*Flowers In The Window [CD1] : Here Comes The Sun, A Little Bit Of Soul
*Flowers In The Window [CD2] : Central Station, No Cigar
*Happy [CD1] : Unbelievers, Everyday Faces
*Happy [CD2] : When I'm Feeling Blue (days of the week), Mother
*Love Will Come Through single : Know Nothing, Good For Nothing
*More Than Us [CD1] : Give Me Some Truth
*More Than Us [CD2] : Beautiful Bird, Reason
*Re-Offender [CD1] : Definition Of Wrong, Enemy
*Re-Offender [CD2] : The Sea, Don't Be Shy
*Side [CD1] : Driftwood [live], All The Young Dudes [live @ Barrowlands]
*Side [CD2] : You're A Big Girl Now, Ancient Train
*Sing [CD1] : Ring Out The Bell, Killer Queen
*Sing [CD2] : You Don't Know What I'm Like, Beautiful
*The Beautiful Occupation [CD 1] : The Score, I Don't Mean To Get High
*The Beautiful Occupation [CD 2] : Distraction, Back In The Day
*Tied To The 90's [CD1] : City In The Rain, Whenever She Comes Around, Standing On My Own
*Tied To The 90's [CD2] : Me Beside You
*Turn [CD1] : River, Day Of Our Lives
*Turn [CD2] : We Are Monkeys, Baby One More Time
*U16 Girls : Hazy Shade Of Gold, Good Time Girls
*Walking In The Sun : Walking In The Sun, I Forget My Name, Life And Soul Of The Party
*Why Does It Always Rain On Me ? [CD1] : Village Man
*Why Does It Always Rain On Me ? [CD2] : The Urge For Going, Slide Show [live]
*Writing To Reach You [CD1] : Green Behind The Ears, Only Molly Knows
*Writing To Reach You [CD2] : Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah, High As A Kite

Audio : http://savefile.com/projects/1073166
*12th Memory
*After Mark and Lard Go (cover)
*All The Young Dudes (live cover)
*Alone On Christmas Day
*Another Sleep Song (cover)
*Baby One More Time (with Comment)
*Back In Black (cover, 2000)
*Back In Black (cover, 2002)
* Black Sessions - 07.10.1997
Hazy Shades
All i want to do is rock
U 16 girls
I love you anyways
Tied to the 90's
Good feeling
More than us
Happy
* Bnn bar, Hilversum, the Netherlands 2007-04-07
01 Intro
02 Closer (take 1)
03 Closer (take 2)
04 My Eyes
05 Sing
06 Selfish Jean
07 Outro
* Capital FM Session in Brighton, 04 Nov 2004
*Christmas Kazoo Medly 2002
*Closer
*Closer Muzak
*Dancing Queen - Fran (at David Ford's gig)
*Danny and Nicky show, SouthernFM 19/04/2007
*Definition Of Wrong [live]
*Do What You Do (Earworm Song)
*Faith (cover)
*Fran & Dougie on BBC Radio1 Chris Moyles Show
*Fran interview
*Free Soul
*Get It On (Glass Onion Demo version)
*Good Feeling Demos
*Happy [live]
*Here Comes The Sun (live Beatles covers)
*Heroes (cover)
*Imperial Family Theme
*Jonathan Ross Show, BBC Radio2 21/04/2007
*KCRW A Sounds Eclectic Evening
*Last Christmas (cover, @ Alexandra Palace)
*Last Christmas (Wham! cover) [live]
* Leeds Town Hall 2001 [PART II]
Side
Safe
Follow The Light
Last Train
Why Does It Always Rain On Me
Blue Flashing Light
* Leeds Town Hall 2001 [PART I]
*Let's Have A Party - Fran Healy & Paul McCartney
* Live : Grosse Freiheit 36, Hamburg, Germany - 16. November 2003
* Live @ Glasgow Barrowlands - 05/10/1999 [PART 1, 2 & 3]
All I Want To Do Is Rock
Good Feeling
Writing to Reach You
As You Are
Driftwood
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Village Man
The Fear
The Last Laugh of the Laughter
Good Day To Die
More Than Us
Why Does It Always Rain On Me
Turn
Luv
Coming Around
Slide Show
Blue Flashing Light
20
Baby One More Time
Happy
* Live @ Glastonbury - 24.06.2000 [PART 1]
All I Wanna Do Is Rock
Good Feeling
Writing To Reach You
Driftwood
The Fear
Good Day To Die
Why Does It Always Rain On Me
* Live @ Glastonbury - 24.06.2000 [PART 2]
Turn
Safe
Coming Around
Slide Show
Blue Flashing Light
20
Baby One More Time
The Weight
Happy
* Live @ Glastonbury 1999
The Fear
Writing To Reach You
Good Feeling
U16 girls
As You Are
Why Does It Always Rain On Me?
Coming Around
All I Want To Do Is Rock
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
Good Day To Die
More Than Us
Driftwood
Slide Show
Turn
Happy
* Live @ Lee's Palace Toronto - 04.02.2000 [PART1 & 2]
* Live @ Rock Am Ring 2001 - Part1 & 2
* Live @ Rock Am Ring 2007
* Live @ Route Du Rock 2003 - Part1 & 2
* Live @ RTL2 (French radio)
* Live @ T In The Park - 10.07.2005 [PART 1]
Sing
Writing To Reach You
Re-Offender
Love Will Come Through
The Fear
The Beautiful Occupation
Side-Staying Alive
* Live @ T In The Park - 10.07.2005 [PART 2]
All I Wanna Do Is Rock
Driftwood
Flowers In The Window
Closer
Happy
Turn
Why Does It Always Rain On Me
*Love Will Come Through (Moonlight Mile version)
*Lovely Rita (The Beatles cover), Sgt Peppers anniversary *Mark Radcliffe and Stuart Maconie show, BBC Radio2
*Mark Radcliffe and Stuart Maconie show, BBC Radio2
* Melkweg, Amsterdam 1999 [Part 1 & 2]
All I Want To Do Is Rock
Good Feeling
Writing To Reach You
As You Are
Driftwood
The Fear
The Last Laugh Of Laughter
Good Day To Die
Why Does It Always Rain On Me?
Turn
Luv
Coming Around
Slide Show
Blue Flashing Light
20
Baby One More Time
*Merry X-mas Everybody (cover)
*MTV Live @ Royal Festival Hall 2003
* Newcastle City Hall 1999 [PART1]
All I Wanna Do Is Rock
Good Feeling
Writing To Reach You
As You Are
Driftwood
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Village Man
The Fear
The Last Laugh Of The Laughter
* Newcastle City Hall 1999 [PART2]
Good Day To Die
More Than Us
Why Does It Always Rain On Me
Turn
Luv
Coning Around
Slide Show-Blue Flashing Light
20
Be My Baby
Happy
*No Limit (cover)
*Nobody Does It Better
*Not About To Change (Glass Onion demo cassette)
* Oxford Brookes Uni gig
*River (live cover)
*Rocket Man (Elton John cover)
*She's So Strange (Glass Onion version)
* Shepherd's Bush Empire - 31.10.1999 [PART 1 & 2]
All I Want To Do Is Rock
Good Feeling
Writing to Reach You
As You Are
Driftwood
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
The Fear
The Last Laugh of the Laughter
Good Day To Die
She's So Strange
Why Does It Always Rain On Me?
Turn
Luv
Coming Around
Slide Show
Blue Flashing Light
20
Baby One More Time
Happy
* Simon Mayo Show - 12 November 1999 ACOUSTIC
Turn
Driftwood
Nobody Does It Better
*Space Oddity (cover)
*Suspicious Minds (cover)
*The Beautiful Occupation (Acoustic, HOPE album)
*The Boy With No Name bonus tracks (Say Hello, Closer Musak, Perfect Heaven Space)
*The Distance
*The Fear (rockier version)
*The Humpty Dumpty Love Song (faster version) [live]
*U16 Girls (New Recording, Volume 17 compilation)
*Unbelievers (acoustic version)
*Wichita Lineman (cover)
*You've Got To Hide Your Love Away

Video : http://savefile.com/projects/1074315
*12 Memories Promo Trailer
*All I Wanna Do Is Rock, More Than Us - Glastonbury 1999
*All The Young Dudes - live @ Jools Holland
*Another Sleep Song - KCRW 29.01.2004
*Baby One More Time (live)
*Big Chair - video made with the lyrics
*Closer - Popworld 21.04.2007
*Closer Backstage
*Closer live @ Top Gear of The Pops (16th march 2007)
*Coming Around - MTV live
*Graham Nash Travis - Another Sleep Song
*Happy (live) - Glastonbury 2000
*Interview (Norwegian TV) April 2007 (1)
*Interview (Norwegian TV) April 2007 (2)
*Interview (Norwegian TV) April 2007 (3)
*Killer Queen (live)
*Later... with Jools Holland 2007 - Selfish Jean
*Later... with Jools Holland 2007 - Closer
*Later... with Jools Holland 2007 - My Eyes
*Live 8 (part I) - Sing+Side. Live 8, July 2005
*Live 8 (part II) - Why Does It Always Rain On Me. Live 8, July 2005
*Lovely Rita (2/06/2007), Sergeant Pepper's 40th Anniversary
*Lovely Rita - Rehearsals
*Pipe Dreams - CDUK
*Sailing Away, Interpreted By Comedian Jon Glazer
*Selfish Jean - Live @ Universal Studios Gibson Amphitheatre 2007
*Selfish Jean - The Parkinson Show, 23 June 2007
*Side live @ Letterman Show
*Side live @ Top Of The Pops
*Sing live @ Top Of The Pops
*Sing live @ The Late Late Show
*STV Interview 27.03.2007
*T In The Park 2005 - All I Wanna Do Is Rock
*T In The Park 2005 - Re-Offender
*T In The Park 2005 - Side/Staying Alive
*T In The Park 2005 - Turn
*T In The Park 2005 - Why Does It Always Rain On Me
*Three Times And You Loose
*Why Does It Always Rain On Me ? Busking 2004, London
*Why Does It Always Rain On Me ? live @ Jools Holland 1999
*Xmas Kazoo Medly 2002

Others links :

the.man.who's Rapidshare account : http://rapidshare.com/users/79WPOV

Travis - Glasgow Garage 27/05/99 : http://www.sendspace.com/file/i1zx1n
Writing to reach you
Good feeling
U16 girls
The line is fine
As you are
Why does it always rain on me
she`s so strange
all i wanna do is rock
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Good day to die
Driftwood
Slideshow
Happy
Interview
EDIT : the link doesn't work anymore but has someone downloaded it and could send it to me please ?



you think you can share all i want to do is rock demo or ep ? i'm not sure,,, i hope you have it ! take care
 
Re: Travis downloads
BenFilbert
Posts: 3859		 BenFilbert Posted Fri 30 May, 2008 11:21 PM Quote
Getting a bit serious in here. I have downloaded a few because I knew no way of getting them elsewhere. I've also got some from iTunes (which didn't have any at the time these were uploaded which was ages ago) I don't think the band mind. They've said that before I'm sure.
 
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