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Eledh Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 2:03 AM |
paul_c wrote: Eledh wrote: paul_c wrote: Eledh wrote: paul_c wrote: Ok, don't let it ruin your life. It's just a song. A thieved song! But just a song ;)
*runs away crying like a baby*
Buuuuuuuhuhuhuhuhuh.
See what listening to Snow Patrol does to you here people? Let that be a lesson to you :P
But... but...
Tell the truth! You're born to destroy every singer I like! XD
Yesterday with Tori Amos, today with Snow Patrol...
I'm starting to hate you XD
Really.
*still shocked*
And they are thieves *sighs*
Don't get me wrong, i don't mind Snow Patrol (local band and all- and yer man Lightbody likes MY music, so he's cool)- was just a wee joke :)
Nikki's right, Chasing Cars is a bit overplayed. I really like Chocolate though. The song. Not the stuff. Well, the stuff too!
Paul, I was just joking. :P really.
And yes, that song is overplayed in italy too. Weird but true.
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Nikki Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 2:06 AM |
paul_c wrote: Nikki wrote: paul_c wrote: Travis? Basic? Nooooooo, you're mistaken
As Fran once said "David Gilmour (Pink Floyd guitarist legend type person) can't even work out our chops!" hehe
Deceptively simple is the trick to all the best songs, believe me!
I'm not saying every Travis song is basic. Heck no! I'm saying the opening lil ditty to the two songs in question is basic and could easily be copied without even knowing it.
I know whatcha mean about the best songs being simple though. Sometimes I'll hear an early Beatles song and think "why didn't anyone do this before? It seems so simple!"
It's true. People try and build so much into songs, and if you strip it down its far better. Although i was watching a documentary about the Queen album 'A Night At The Opera' the other night (one of my favourite albums btw) and it's amazing how much they layered their music. There's one of the songs, Good Company i think it is, and Brian May has created like a brass jazz band sort of sound by layering all these different guitar parts over the top of each other- it was incredible when you hear just that without all the other instruments. So i guess it works both ways. It takes a genius to layer stuff properly without it sounding jumbled- Queen being one of them (earlier Queen, none of that 80s synth stuff please), and Brian Wilson being another. Then again, keeping it simple is genius too- The Beatles being a prime example, and Travis probably being our favourite example ;)
Travis' music is hard to explain because while it's simple, it's also quite intricate in a way...all of Andy's fancy guitar work and banjo. It's a beautiful thing.
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Yulia Nox Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 2:08 AM |
I've always thought that the begining of 'I forget my name' is similar to U2's 'with or without you'
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paul_c Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 2:09 AM |
Nikki wrote: paul_c wrote: Nikki wrote: paul_c wrote: Travis? Basic? Nooooooo, you're mistaken
As Fran once said "David Gilmour (Pink Floyd guitarist legend type person) can't even work out our chops!" hehe
Deceptively simple is the trick to all the best songs, believe me!
I'm not saying every Travis song is basic. Heck no! I'm saying the opening lil ditty to the two songs in question is basic and could easily be copied without even knowing it.
I know whatcha mean about the best songs being simple though. Sometimes I'll hear an early Beatles song and think "why didn't anyone do this before? It seems so simple!"
It's true. People try and build so much into songs, and if you strip it down its far better. Although i was watching a documentary about the Queen album 'A Night At The Opera' the other night (one of my favourite albums btw) and it's amazing how much they layered their music. There's one of the songs, Good Company i think it is, and Brian May has created like a brass jazz band sort of sound by layering all these different guitar parts over the top of each other- it was incredible when you hear just that without all the other instruments. So i guess it works both ways. It takes a genius to layer stuff properly without it sounding jumbled- Queen being one of them (earlier Queen, none of that 80s synth stuff please), and Brian Wilson being another. Then again, keeping it simple is genius too- The Beatles being a prime example, and Travis probably being our favourite example ;)
Travis' music is hard to explain because while it's simple, it's also quite intricate in a way...all of Andy's fancy guitar work and banjo. It's a beautiful thing.
Oh i know. I mean it's simple in the sense that there's no real orchestration behind it, a lot of it. Some of the individual parts are intricate in their own way yes, but the whole arrangement of the stuff isn't as intricate as something like Good Vibrations by The Beach Boys- huge arrangement and loads of vocal and instrumental parts kinda stuff.
Of course, now i've said that there's going to be something on the new album which is going to blow Good Vibrations out of the water and i shall be forced to ingest vocabulary once again! :P |
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paul_c Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 2:09 AM |
Nikki wrote: paul_c wrote: Nikki wrote: paul_c wrote: Travis? Basic? Nooooooo, you're mistaken
As Fran once said "David Gilmour (Pink Floyd guitarist legend type person) can't even work out our chops!" hehe
Deceptively simple is the trick to all the best songs, believe me!
I'm not saying every Travis song is basic. Heck no! I'm saying the opening lil ditty to the two songs in question is basic and could easily be copied without even knowing it.
I know whatcha mean about the best songs being simple though. Sometimes I'll hear an early Beatles song and think "why didn't anyone do this before? It seems so simple!"
It's true. People try and build so much into songs, and if you strip it down its far better. Although i was watching a documentary about the Queen album 'A Night At The Opera' the other night (one of my favourite albums btw) and it's amazing how much they layered their music. There's one of the songs, Good Company i think it is, and Brian May has created like a brass jazz band sort of sound by layering all these different guitar parts over the top of each other- it was incredible when you hear just that without all the other instruments. So i guess it works both ways. It takes a genius to layer stuff properly without it sounding jumbled- Queen being one of them (earlier Queen, none of that 80s synth stuff please), and Brian Wilson being another. Then again, keeping it simple is genius too- The Beatles being a prime example, and Travis probably being our favourite example ;)
Travis' music is hard to explain because while it's simple, it's also quite intricate in a way...all of Andy's fancy guitar work and banjo. It's a beautiful thing.
Double post, sorry |
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ElspethOllie Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 8:26 AM |
| I love Snow Patrol. Saw them live in August. Hate Chasing Cars. With a passion. I love Final Straw so much more then Eyes Open. And it sucks that Cars is their most known song because the rest of their stuff is so much better. Personal favorites: Spitting Games, and I do really love You're All I Have from Eyes Open. |
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Nacho Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 4:55 PM |
| one time...razorlight's golden touch began and i thought it was no cigar :P |
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the boy with a cryptic name Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 7:42 PM |
ElspethOllie wrote: I love Snow Patrol. Saw them live in August. Hate Chasing Cars. With a passion. I love Final Straw so much more then Eyes Open. And it sucks that Cars is their most known song because the rest of their stuff is so much better. Personal favorites: Spitting Games, and I do really love You're All I Have from Eyes Open.
Chasing Cars is one of those songs that you don't especially notice on the album (I always wanted It's Beginning To Get To Me to be a single) and then it becomes a huge hit. The same thing happened with Fix You by Coldplay. I think that was me being stupid and not noticing it was good though!
Personal favourites: too many good tracks to say, but Chocolate has a great title! :P |
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nuriko_insane Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 7:54 PM |
paul_c wrote: Listen to the first 2 seconds of Travis' 'I Forget My Name' and then ask yourself where Snow Patrol got the opening for Chasing Cars from!
Suspicious. Very suspicious...
It's just like Keane 'Is it any wonder' and U2 'Zoo station', jeje.
Anyway, what about writing to reach you??? It's Oasis's Wonderwall...
Jajajajaja
Thieving in music is a neverending tread...
Be happy .n_n
(I'ts aways better in holidays...) |
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ElspethOllie Posted Sat 12 Jan, 2008 10:32 PM |
nuriko_insane wrote:
It's just like Keane 'Is it any wonder' and U2 'Zoo station', jeje.
Really? I always thought Is It Any Wonder sounded more like "Even Better Than the Real Thing." |
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Moray Posted Sun 13 Jan, 2008 12:00 AM |
paul_c wrote:
Although i was watching a documentary about the Queen album 'A Night At The Opera' the other night (one of my favourite albums btw) and it's amazing how much they layered their music. There's one of the songs, Good Company i think it is, and Brian May has created like a brass jazz band sort of sound by layering all these different guitar parts over the top of each other- it was incredible when you hear just that without all the other instruments.
I remember watching the same documentary and being bowled over by that exact same part. He does the whole dixie land jazz arrangement on guitar. Everything from the trombone slides, right to the clarinet/trumpet sounds. It's absolutely astounding. And all that on a guitar he built from his mantlepiece.
They also recorded so many layers onto Bohemian Rhapsody, they had to remaster it, as the tape was about to wear through! |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Sun 13 Jan, 2008 2:55 PM |
All music is derivative (sp?), Sopmeone on here mentioned there are only so many notes, sequences, etc that they are bound to be copied at some time or another, also I suppose they could claim, they either borrowed it or they also thought it up without hearing Travis,
for example... Selfish Jean/Town Called Malice/Born Slippy/You Can't Hurry Love.
Or you could do the Rap thing and just basically rip something off totally...
Nas - Hip Hop is Dead= In-A-Gadda-Da-Vidda - Iron Butterfly
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Moray Posted Sun 13 Jan, 2008 3:16 PM |
| There's a difference between being unintentionally derivative and actually sampling a song! haha! |
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Scottish Dubliner Posted Sun 13 Jan, 2008 3:29 PM |
MoraySwan wrote: There's a difference between being unintentionally derivative and actually sampling a song! haha!
My point Exactly, although sampling can also work well when it's done properly, Pop Will Eat Itself ?
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sorry angel Posted Mon 14 Jan, 2008 11:39 AM |
I'm delighted to read all this and specially the talks about how Travis, Beatles and great songs are all somehow simple and in the meantime many other things.
A couple of years ago I posted on that very subject "simple" and at the time nobody on here appreciated my point, so it's indeed very nice to see newer/other boardies with the same analysis. |
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