but you also have to think of the money you put into a human in prison who did worst things. mean everyone outsides paying for his/her bread and water..
I believe (though I am not sure) that studies have shown it's more expensive to execute them because there are many many court hearings, appeals, etc. that happen before they are put to death.
yep, thats something i could imagine..
and i think thats not too bad knowing this. i mean that will hopefully help not to execute everyone.. or anyone
but you also have to think of the money you put into a human in prison who did worst things. mean everyone outsides paying for his/her bread and water..
maybe we should just go back to super old times where if you were in prison, your family/friends had to feed and clothe you. if you don't have anyone who cares about you on the outside, you don't eat.
but you also have to think of the money you put into a human in prison who did worst things. mean everyone outsides paying for his/her bread and water..
maybe we should just go back to super old times where if you were in prison, your family/friends had to feed and clothe you. if you don't have anyone who cares about you on the outside, you don't eat.
Many people deserve death, there are also many that die that deserve life, we cannot give it to them so maybe we shouldn't be so quick to take it away.
The Lord Of The Rings, anyone? Having said that, it doesn't detract from the argument. I've always been of the opinion that, disgusting as it may be, it is far better to let 10 guilty men walk free, than risk sending one innocent man to prison.
Voltaire addressed the question of the death penalty very sensibly, looking at the most frequent arguments in favour of it...and demolishing them. It went something along the lines of:
1. You think murderers might escape from your prisons and are thus too dangerous to be kept alive? Then re-enforce your prisons.
2. You think that the death penalty is a deterrent? Then why has the level of murders not, over time, been significantly reduced?
3. You think that taking someone's life injustly merits death? Then should your judges and executionners be executed if one of their prisonners is executed when he was later found to be innocent?
Etc.
A clever man, that Voltaire...for a Frenchman. ;-)
against. WHo will judge the exectutioners? Taking of another life is wrong fullstop. (Having said that i can think of afew serial killers that definately didn't desrve to live - maybe a labotomy instead?)
The Lord Of The Rings, anyone? Having said that, it doesn't detract from the argument. I've always been of the opinion that, disgusting as it may be, it is far better to let 10 guilty men walk free, than risk sending one innocent man to prison.
Voltaire addressed the question of the death penalty very sensibly, looking at the most frequent arguments in favour of it...and demolishing them. It went something along the lines of:
1. You think murderers might escape from your prisons and are thus too dangerous to be kept alive? Then re-enforce your prisons.
2. You think that the death penalty is a deterrent? Then why has the level of murders not, over time, been significantly reduced?
3. You think that taking someone's life injustly merits death? Then should your judges and executionners be executed if one of their prisonners is executed when he was later found to be innocent?
Etc.
A clever man, that Voltaire...for a Frenchman. ;-)
I'm guessing Tolkien nicked it from somewhere else along with the whole LOTR stuff, but as you say it is still a valid arguement.
3. No, Society should be held responsible for wrongfully taking a life, The Executioner/Judge is only an appointed instrument of the society in question.
but again I do agree with you that 10 guilty live rather than 1 innocent dies. Plus if an innocent man is comuted to a life sentance he can always have his chance of release, if he's dead he can never be made alive.
I don’t believe in the Death penalty. For one, I just think it’s hypocritical for a government to say “you killed someone, so now we’re going to kill you.” I don’t think they should have that right. Plus, it’s an unfairly administered practice. Far more minorities and men get the death penalty then white people and women, on average. And poor people get it more than rich people because of representation.
I also don’t agree with it because DNA evidence is not 100 percent accurate and there is always a chance someone could be innocent. There have been many instances were innocent people have sat in jail or on death row for years and they’ve been set free because the court’s original ruling was wrong.
I don’t believe in the Death penalty. For one, I just think it’s hypocritical for a government to say “you killed someone, so now we’re going to kill you.” I don’t think they should have that right. Plus, it’s an unfairly administered practice. Far more minorities and men get the death penalty then white people and women, on average. And poor people get it more than rich people because of representation.
I also don’t agree with it because DNA evidence is not 100 percent accurate and there is always a chance someone could be innocent. There have been many instances were innocent people have sat in jail or on death row for years and they’ve been set free because the court’s original ruling was wrong.
That's a fairly leftist/liberal view, does it ever cross people's minds that more ethnic minorities get the death penalty because their ethic group commit the most crimes. However as I said in an earlier post it is all down to interpretation and if you can get a better represenatative to interpret a far more convincing arguement then I guess you are dead right.
On the subject of DNA evidence, I happen to know a guy who works very closely with the State pathologist at Gardai Headquarters, Now this guy is basically a forensic scientist, while discussing the whole DNA topic recently, He told me he didn't believe in it as DNA evidence while pretty conclusive can also be planted a lot easier, How easy would it be to obtain some hair, clothes fabric, etc. and then leave it at the scene of a crime.
I don't believe in it. I guess it is good as a deterrent, but actually enforcing it is another matter. It is not up to us, or in fact the government whether to choose to kill people in that way, it is understandable for the people who have been affected by the criminal, however a long sentence in jail would be more satusfying for them i think..some people believe death is the easy way out.
I don’t believe in the Death penalty. For one, I just think it’s hypocritical for a government to say “you killed someone, so now we’re going to kill you.” I don’t think they should have that right. Plus, it’s an unfairly administered practice. Far more minorities and men get the death penalty then white people and women, on average. And poor people get it more than rich people because of representation.
I also don’t agree with it because DNA evidence is not 100 percent accurate and there is always a chance someone could be innocent. There have been many instances were innocent people have sat in jail or on death row for years and they’ve been set free because the court’s original ruling was wrong.
i totally agree with that. exactly what i wanted to say on first page of this thread ..
I don't believe in it. I guess it is good as a deterrent
I dont think it is a deterrent. I dont know stats on all countries, but certainly many countries that still use the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without. That cant be the only issue involved, as you also have to look at things like laws on gun possession, etc, but I dont think it really works as a deterrent.
Not to hard on a Canadian/US comparison, but it is the one that is most readily avaliable to me.
Homicide rate in Canada is 1.9 per 100000 (no death penalty)
Homicide rate in the US is 5.6 per 100000 (death penalty)
On the subject of DNA evidence, I happen to know a guy who works very closely with the State pathologist at Gardai Headquarters, Now this guy is basically a forensic scientist, while discussing the whole DNA topic recently, He told me he didn't believe in it as DNA evidence while pretty conclusive can also be planted a lot easier, How easy would it be to obtain some hair, clothes fabric, etc. and then leave it at the scene of a crime.
Dubz
true, true. you can see that in most crime series for example. if you, as criminal, are at least a bit smart in head, you could muck around with everyone..
I don't believe in it. I guess it is good as a deterrent
I dont think it is a deterrent. I dont know stats on all countries, but certainly many countries that still use the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without. That cant be the only issue involved, as you also have to look at things like laws on gun possession, etc, but I dont think it really works as a deterrent.
Not to hard on a Canadian/US comparison, but it is the one that is most readily avaliable to me.
Homicide rate in Canada is 1.9 per 100000 (no death penalty)
Homicide rate in the US is 5.6 per 100000 (death penalty)
Did I also hear somewher that Canada has more guns per head of capita than the US, less restrictive gun laws than most States in the US but Canada still has a much less occurrence of gun crime ???
I don't believe in it. I guess it is good as a deterrent, but actually enforcing it is another matter. It is not up to us, or in fact the government whether to choose to kill people in that way, it is understandable for the people who have been affected by the criminal, however a long sentence in jail would be more satusfying for them i think..some people believe death is the easy way out.
sometimes its defo the "easy way out" i think..
although i definetely got the opinion they should intensify safety regulations in jail. its unbelivably terrifying often..
problem is if you use penalty as deterrent and dont let it come true.. its everything else than a deterrent..
I don't believe in it. I guess it is good as a deterrent
I dont think it is a deterrent. I dont know stats on all countries, but certainly many countries that still use the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without. That cant be the only issue involved, as you also have to look at things like laws on gun possession, etc, but I dont think it really works as a deterrent.
Not to hard on a Canadian/US comparison, but it is the one that is most readily avaliable to me.
Homicide rate in Canada is 1.9 per 100000 (no death penalty)
Homicide rate in the US is 5.6 per 100000 (death penalty)
Did I also hear somewher that Canada has more guns per head of capita than the US, less restrictive gun laws than most States in the US but Canada still has a much less occurrence of gun crime ???
Dubz
I wouldnt think that is true, but I have nothing to back that up. I'll do some research and get back to you
