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Moray Posted Tue 21 Oct, 2008 5:52 PM |
| Not night of the long knives, I meant Kristallnacht, night of the broken glass. |
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spid Posted Tue 21 Oct, 2008 5:52 PM |
Hving said that my son and daughter have both 'done' WWII twice - mainly about evacuees and the blitz (thisis primary school level) but my elder child did study 'the boy in the stripped pyjamas' and there were lots of good discussions (i know cos i led them) about what it all meant and how bad it actually got.
My own knowledge is from the TV and my own reading and Simon Schaman's(??) history books. |
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Moray Posted Tue 21 Oct, 2008 5:56 PM |
spid wrote: Hving said that my son and daughter have both 'done' WWII twice - mainly about evacuees and the blitz (thisis primary school level) but my elder child did study 'the boy in the stripped pyjamas' and there were lots of good discussions (i know cos i led them) about what it all meant and how bad it actually got.
Thats ringing bells now, we also studied evacuees. |
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Peewee Posted Tue 21 Oct, 2008 8:11 PM |
Oh god I must have gone to a nasty school! lol I was taught this stuff in Secondary School and then I decided to take History as one of my GCSE's. So yep we covered WW1 and 2 but like Moray said...it was more about politics etc rather than the Holocaust. We did cover it a little bit but unfortunatley this was sooooo long ago I can't really remember :-(
However it is a totally DIFFERENT story now for kids going through school. Every primary school child covers the Holocaust and WW's now.(It is part of the syllabis here in NI) They do a project in P6/P7 (age 9-10) and cover it pretty intensly...and they say school is getting easier..ha my arse!
I never remember any mention of Bergen-Belsen tho...sorry! :-/ |
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Bryn Posted Tue 21 Oct, 2008 8:16 PM |
Moray wrote:
It may surprise you more to know that I could still write you an essay about why the American Civil War happened!!
That is interesting... what do they teach in the UK about it? Is there a lot taught about it? |
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ashleyb Posted Tue 21 Oct, 2008 10:22 PM |
Thanks everyone for your responses! This is all very fascinating to me. Would you say it's becoming more prominent (ie is being taught, even if only a little) than it used to be?
If anyone's curious about my own Holocaust education, Elie Wiesel's Night was required reading, as was Maus for my english class in 9th grade. We spent a day specifically on the Holocaust in my European history class, and it was also discussed in the wider context of WWII. In college though, I've taken basically every class the university offers on the subject. |
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Moray Posted Tue 21 Oct, 2008 11:03 PM |
Bryn wrote: Moray wrote:
It may surprise you more to know that I could still write you an essay about why the American Civil War happened!!
That is interesting... what do they teach in the UK about it? Is there a lot taught about it?
we covered the main reasons behind the war. It depends what level of history you take it to. I covered this in standard grade (age 16) at school. But not at higher (aged 17). Also studied manifest destiny, read much Laura Inglis Wilder and a bit of the Donner Pass. |
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DavesUrMan Posted Wed 22 Oct, 2008 6:01 PM |
In my school in Dundee WW2 in general was covered as a topic in primary 7 (age 11) and the holocaust was given some mention.
Then again in Religeous Studies (which wasn't being taught to be a christian its the history and lifestyle of various theists and atheists etc) certainly in discussion the holocaust was mentioned but not in any great detail.
I believe if you took history at standard grade or at higher there were many extensions of WW2 probably including the holocaust.
But obviously not a lot of emphasis was put on it because obviously as the British our concern outside of the basis of Hitler, the primary invasion and the conclusion, would have been the civillians of the british, the british army, and namely the life-style and cycle in scotland |
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Tonie Posted Wed 22 Oct, 2008 6:33 PM |
I'm sorry Ashley, I know I said I'd respond sooner than this. But it's been a hell of a week since I wrote to you.
My dad is a bit of an expert on this subject and I'm hoping to find you some links on education on the holocaust.
But in the meantime, I can tell you that, as has been mentioned, my daughters both studied it at primary school. This included visits and talks from survivors who now live in England. I have been present at one such visit, and I can remember that the German lady who spoke was held at Bergen Belsen, and she married the British soldier who was part of the troop which liberated her. She is now in her eighties, and he, sadly, died recently.
Neither of my girls are specialising in history at high school, so they don't see anything of it in their curriculum.
However, the school offers trips to Poland (at age 16)and the Czech Republic (age 15), specifically to visit the Concentration camps. And this is open to students of any subject.
Hope this helps.
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AbsGinger Posted Wed 22 Oct, 2008 8:11 PM |
Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem : A report of the banality of evil" is very interesting to read.
Very deep.
Also check Raul Hilberg's master piece : The Destruction of the European Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raul_Hilberg
Additionnal stories are also available in Claude Lanzmann's film "Shoah".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Lanzmann
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michele Posted Wed 22 Oct, 2008 8:27 PM |
| In Italy i learnt about the holocaust at school at history classes, mostly at high school and we even talked about the reasons that lead to this, that antisemitism wasn't only in germany at that time, we mentioned the pog-rom in russia. and we visited the mathausen lager. then on my own i visited the anna frank house in amsterdam, the jewish musem in berlin and i watch the theatre play by peter weiss :"the investigation" about the trial against the german soldiers (officiers and not) who were in the camp of auschwitz. |
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ashleyb Posted Wed 22 Oct, 2008 9:49 PM |
Tonie wrote: I'm sorry Ashley, I know I said I'd respond sooner than this. But it's been a hell of a week since I wrote to you.
My dad is a bit of an expert on this subject and I'm hoping to find you some links on education on the holocaust.
But in the meantime, I can tell you that, as has been mentioned, my daughters both studied it at primary school. This included visits and talks from survivors who now live in England. I have been present at one such visit, and I can remember that the German lady who spoke was held at Bergen Belsen, and she married the British soldier who was part of the troop which liberated her. She is now in her eighties, and he, sadly, died recently.
Neither of my girls are specialising in history at high school, so they don't see anything of it in their curriculum.
However, the school offers trips to Poland (at age 16)and the Czech Republic (age 15), specifically to visit the Concentration camps. And this is open to students of any subject.
Hope this helps.
No need to apologize - I realize people have lives outside the messageboard. I hope everything is alright. Having a "hell of a week" doesn't sound very good.
Thanks for the information, and I look forward to the links on education. |
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ashleyb Posted Wed 22 Oct, 2008 9:59 PM |
Thanks for those. I've seen bits of Shoah, though understandably not the whole thing, but do have the transcript of the film - a valuable resource. I've read much of Hilberg and found it fascinating and terrifying. As for Arendt, I'm familar with her general thesis but haven't actually read her work yet. I'll have to do that in my free time; my education feels incomplete without it. |
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